Responses to "Dvorak Keyboard Layout – Switching"

  1. William Jackson

    William Jackson
    April 22, 2008 at 10:38 am

    You can also buy silicon covers for your keyboard.

  2. Ricky Buchanan

    April 24, 2008 at 3:07 am

    @William: That’s a great point. Keyboard covers can help a lot, but I’d still suggest putting a picture above your screen and using that as much as possible so you don’t get into the habit of watching your fingers.

  3. Andrew

    Andrew
    December 8, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    I taught myself to type dvorak by putting blue painter’s tape on my keycaps and writing the letters on it in sharpie. I agree that your solution promotes better habits, though–when I finally took the tape off, I learned just how much I’d been relying on it!

  4. Ricky Buchanan

    December 8, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    @Andrew: Did you persist with Dvorak after that and get the hang of touch typing with it? It’s one of those things that really doesn’t help if you’re doing hunt-and-peck style typing!

  5. Sandra

    Sandra
    March 4, 2009 at 3:03 am

    Dear Ricky:

    I am considering the dvorak system. I have a couple of questions after reading your article on switching to dvorak. I am on my husbands mac which has OX S 10.5.6. So it was easy to find the imput menu. Just below the dvorak that you have circled is “dvorak-querty with the mac command symbol” what is the difference between these two. Am I getting the right impression that switching back to querty is as easy clicking on the Dvorak Flag and then re checking the box by US Keyboard Roman. When I choose dvorak does this just apply to my user account or does it apply to my husbands account also. I am sure he will probably not want to switch to dvorak–his hands and arms are in terrible pain so I wish he really would.

    The second reason — he would have a cow if did anything to mess up his Mac. So I do need to be considerate.

    I would like the ability to switch back to qwerty quickly because I am trying to get back in the workforce and I would like to be able to switch back and forth since I don’t know if I would get into a totally “qwerty” situation.

    I can type 60 wpm on qwerty but I am concerned about hand and eye strain from the get go. I only have one eye and I would like to get the typing done and use the extra time to rest my hands, eyes, and mind.

    Thank you so very much for any information you can give me. It is really appreciated.

  6. Ricky Buchanan

    March 4, 2009 at 11:42 am

    @Sandra: The “Dvorak with qwerty commands” one means if you hold the command key you can type command-key shortcuts in a QWERTY style layout. It’s not really helpful for anybody, IMHO, but some people remember the command keys more by location that key name so I guess it could help when learning Dvorak for them.

    Setting Dvorak in your account is only local to your account – won’t mess up hubby’s account. And you’re right about clicking the flags to switch back, it’s very easy to switch back and forth when you’re learning.

    Best of luck – let me know how you go!

  7. Sandra

    Sandra
    March 5, 2009 at 3:28 am

    Dear Ricky:

    I am so grateful for the advice and the quick reply.

    I do want to get back into the workforce but I want every advantage I can get. It is so very competitive out there and I have been out for a very long time with taking care of a special needs child.

    I think my single eye situation probably affects my typing skills by causing overwork strain and fatigue on that eye.

    Thanks again and I will try to update you as soon as I see how it is going.

  8. Dallin Osmun

    May 16, 2009 at 4:42 am

    I just ran across your site while looking for some dvorak-related stuff and thought I’d add my two cents. I switched to dvorak about a year ago and I’m never switching back. I used typing lessons at http://gigliwood.com/abcd/. They aren’t the best but they work.

    You don’t need any special keyboard to switch. I’m using the same qwerty keyboard now as I did when I was learning. You can’t look at the keys because only A and M are in the same spots but it’ll help you in the long run.

    Also, if you decide to make the switch then don’t ever go back to qwerty. It’ll be frustrating but you’ll learn 10 times faster if you never switch back to finish writing that email a bit sooner.

    The only disadvantage I’ve found to dvorak is that the rest of the world is in qwerty. If you need to use someone else’s computer then you’ll need to switch the keyboard layout. If they’re using mac it’s an easy switch. If it’s windows a good tool is DVAssist. Google it and you’ll find a free download. Running it lets you switch from qwerty to dvorak and back with a shortcut command you set on first run.

    Good luck!

  9. Ricky Buchanan

    May 31, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    @Dallin: I found that I never would have learned Dvorak without letting myself switch back to QWERTY when necessary for speed in the month I was learning. I’m glad you found a method that worked for you though! That’s what matters.

  10. Garrett

    Garrett
    June 30, 2009 at 7:08 am

    I’m having a bit of bother with using dvorak here and wondered if anyone had any solutions or ideas. switching to dvorak has made me realise i’m ever so slightly dyslexic, and that normally if i was spelling i would almost unconsciously picture a keyboard and ‘feel’ the word as i spelled it. now that i’ve changed layout, i find i can’t spell anymore, and i’m actually slower than on qwerty because i have to keep going back to fix spelling mistakes and things. i’m using dvorak for about six months, and my typing speed is pretty good, but its frustrating having to be extra careful on the keys. has anyone else experienced anything like this or come across any tips for the slightly more visual person like myself?

    1. Ricky Buchanan

      July 22, 2009 at 11:03 am

      @Garrett: It’s not a problem I’ve come across and not being dyslexic myself I don’t really have any useful suggestions for you. I would assume the picture/feeling for words will come with practice but I wouldn’t have a clue how much practice. If you find any more tips or come up with solutions please come back and post again!

  11. Lee Small

    Lee Small
    August 27, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    I have been a long-time Dvorak keyboard user, but recently converted to Mac (MacBook Pro).

    I’m having real difficulty with the way that Mac (OSX, 10.5.8) has implemented Dvorak. Specifically, it appears that each program can override the the OS settings for the implementation of fn, control, alt/option & command shortcuts! This makes the keyboard layout inconsistent between applications. To make matters worse, I think some programs (e.g., Final Cut Pro v7) have completely broken some shortcuts when using the Dvorak keyboard layout (even when choosing the QWERTY command option).

    Have you experienced this or is something wrong with my MacBook?

    1. Ricky Buchanan

      August 27, 2009 at 8:45 pm

      @Lee: I know there’s one keyboard option labelled “Dvorak – Qwerty ⌘” which uses the QWERTY layout for command keys only, have you checked that’s not selected? You seem to be aware it exists so I don’t think that’s the problem, and anyway it shouldn’t cause inconsistencies. Aside from that, I don’t really have any ideas… An application which messes with shortcut keys like that must (I think) not be using Apple’s approved methods of telling the operating system about what keyboard shortcuts it has. It does surprise me that an application like Final Cut Pro which is from Apple itself would mess this up!

      I actually use a keyboard which implements the Dvorak layer in the hardware, so the computer doesn’t know about it. My keyboard layout on OS X is set to QWERTY, it’s only the external keyboard itself I have to set up. So any operating system problems wouldn’t show up for me …

      Have you tried posting about this on the Apple message boards for Leopard? There are a lot of knowledgeable people there, somebody may be able to help you. Alternatively, if you live somewhere close to an Apple store I suggest you ask the people there. I realise this isn’t much help – if I come up with anything else I’ll let you know.

    2. Ricky Buchanan

      August 27, 2009 at 9:09 pm

      @Lee: Are you by chance running Leopard version 10.5.6? I found reports on the Apple message boards of a problem where Dvorak breaks in carbon apps under 10.5.6. From reports it sounds exactly like what you describe. If this is the problem, your system just needs upgrading – use the “Software Update” command (in the Apple menu) to upgrade to the current version which is 10.5.8 and this should cure your woes!

      Let me know how it goes, and best of luck :)

  12. Lee Small

    Lee Small
    August 28, 2009 at 11:09 am

    I’m using 10.5.8…problem still exists. I’ve tried both Dvorak and Dvorak-QWERTY and the results are the same.

    Can you tell me about your hardware solution? If I understand correctly, I don’t think this would be a practical solution for a laptop. :-(

    1. Ricky Buchanan

      August 28, 2009 at 11:54 pm

      @Lee: By “hardware solution” I meant an external keyboard which can itself be set to a Dvorak layout. I use the Kinesis Advantage which is nice and ergonomic and can be switched from Dvorak to QWERTY whenever I want, independent of the computer. So the computer is always set to QWERTY layout and is always send QWERTY characters, the keyboard itself switches the layouts. So no, wouldn’t work for a laptop unless you wanted an extra keyboard. At this point I suggest you contact Apple in some fashion, sorry!

  13. Mark

    Mark
    November 27, 2009 at 2:18 am

    Garrett, I would like to chat with you about your experience using dvorak. I’m interested in how someone who is dyslexic adapts to the system. I want to know what you mean by picture a keyboard and “feel” a word as you spell.

    Please contact me at mark dot s dot mulholland @ gmail.com

    thanks,

    Mark

  14. James

    December 31, 2009 at 8:59 am

    Lee,

    Hi, I’ve had the same problem with Final Cut Pro 6. The lame thing is that Final Cut 4.5 (and I think 5 as well) was able to translate the default shortcuts easily for dvorak, much better than p-shop or adobe product. Then 6 came out and Bang, no shortcuts for dvorak users, not even qwerty-dvorak shortcuts (like you have to use in p-shop). If you come up with a solution I’d love to hear what it is. I can’t type on qwerty and look disabled when I try.

    jamesstephenbrown@gmail.com

    Cheers,
    James

  15. James

    December 31, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Wait. Solved it. For Final Cut DON’T USE the Dvorak-Qwerty option use the Dvorak only option. You need to start FCP with this language option selected. If you change language while FCP is open it won’t work.

  16. Jeff Van West

    Jeff Van West
    February 25, 2010 at 4:15 am

    Has anyone gotten Dvorak to work with Final Cut Express? It seems to just ignore all the letter keys entirely when the keyboard is set to anything except U.S.

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